Kellman's been one of the guests I've been chasing for years but he's always been too busy or too tied up in corporate requirements to be on the podcast - but now he's available and here we are. Kellman's got a lot of years behind him slinging network security gear, so it's a bit of a surprise to some that he has pivoted hard into cloud concepts and has some harsh truths for people who still think of old security paradigms when it comes to new technologies like, ahem, the cloud.
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